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Post by Joe Botting on Feb 12, 2011 5:22:47 GMT -5
Dear All, Here’s a familiar scenario: someone shows me a weird circular thing made of radiating lines. I then get very excited, and explain it’s a choiid – a rare early sponge known mainly from the Burgess Shale-type faunas. The response? “Oh, so that’s what it is… I’ve be throwing these away for years!” It’s happened at least twice now, and the rate that they’re turning up, there are bound to be more. So, I thought I’d try it on you folks… Has anyone seen one of these? This is the simplest form, called Choiaella. Choia itself is more complicated, with long radiating spines as well. It’s been reconstructed for decades upside-down, and we know now that at least some species were on top of a tall stalk. Anyway, here’s an… imaginative… reconstruction from the Nanjing Palaeontology Museum. You can imagine what it would look like flattened in a mudstone. Although known mostly from the Burgess Shale and equivalents, Choia is now known from the Ordovician of Morocco and the Silurian of Greenland and China (unconfirmed). Choiaella has turned up in the Ordovician and Silurian of southern Scotland, and now also the Ordovician of Wales (all these just happening to be the places we’re looking…). In other words, I’ve a hunch it’s everywhere. Can anyone confirm?
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Post by pleecan (Peter Lee) on Feb 12, 2011 7:48:01 GMT -5
Thanks for the enlightening post... I am going to keep my eyes peeled open. PL
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Post by paleoflor on Feb 12, 2011 8:29:22 GMT -5
Haven't seen them before, but I'll be more alert on them next time I go into a fieldwork area of appropriate age...
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Post by archimedes on Feb 13, 2011 18:40:05 GMT -5
Hi Your Pic looks very similar to an impression of Belemnospongia I find in the Chester rocks of the Tennessee Valley. The Pic shows two nice specimens of Belemnospongia parmula, topotypes, found in the upper Mississippian, St. Genevieve and Chesterian of north Alabama. They are Questionably assigned to Choiidae I did notice one impression i thought was somewhat like a Belemnospongia from the middle Silurian, Brownsport group, in Tennessee. Attachments:
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Post by pleecan (Peter Lee) on Feb 13, 2011 19:00:40 GMT -5
Neat find Archimedes!
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Post by Joe Botting on Feb 13, 2011 19:21:56 GMT -5
Belemnospongia is a much more 3D structure - superficially similar, but quite different in construction (I think). having said that, it could be a related group, and Lenica is probably more 3D than Choia is...
If you saw an "impression" of Belemnospongia, though, it was probably Choiaella!
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Post by pleecan (Peter Lee) on Feb 19, 2011 6:47:53 GMT -5
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Post by Joe Botting on Feb 19, 2011 7:03:26 GMT -5
Aha...! Well spotted, Peter! It is indeed a choiid, and it's not Choia, nor is it strictly Choiaella. I've described Choia from the Fezouata (2007 in Geobios), and there's another genus that is new... and this looks like yet another new genus! One could argue that it's closer to Allantospongia (Chengjiang) than anything else, but the irregular margin is much more pronounced and the radial nature of the disc is more obvious (much coarser spicuels, I think). I suspect there may be some of these in the Yale collections, and Peter's out there again at the moment, so fingers crossed for more. It's probably come from a new cutting, as I've not seen it before. In case you hadn't guessed, I'm doing the taxonomy of the Fezouata sponges, and there's a lot to do. The specimens are actually in storage for now, as I'm doing other things while waiting for the available material to build up a bit further. I may have to get back to you about this one in future...
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Post by pleecan (Peter Lee) on Feb 19, 2011 7:48:35 GMT -5
Hi Joe thanks for the comment you are free to use any of my images at any time. Peter
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Post by Joe Botting on Feb 19, 2011 8:37:27 GMT -5
Thanks, Peter - very good of you!
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Post by pleecan (Peter Lee) on Feb 19, 2011 11:00:35 GMT -5
You are most welcome Joe and that offer goes for the same to you Lucy... you may use any images of my at any time. Peter
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